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Boxcar Derailment
Engine #25 and Crew
#302 Builders plate
Mogul #38 Builders Photo
Mogul #53
KGB&W Combine
Locomotive #20
#18
GBW #101 (1938)
GB&W #302
GB&W #255
KGB&W #350
A&W X94
GBW #141
GB&W #399
KGB&W #257
FA-1 Builders Photo
"Roamer" China
HH 660 #101 at Norwood
A&W 3004
'51 Freight Train
Sleek Power
Ferry Yard
FA Train
'58 Freight Train
New Equipment
AHW #600
#309 High Hood
#310 Builders Photo
#302, #307 at Norwood
FA-1 Power
40' PS-1 Boxcar
RS-11 #309
#311 Builders Photo
End of an Era
Hard-Working RS-2
C-424 #311
Pullman-Standard Boxcar
RS-2 #304
C-424 #312
Caboose #609
C-424 #313
RS-3 #306
Caboose #607
RS-27 #310
#315 Builders Photo
#903
CNW 902
RS-2 #301
S-1 #102
S-1 #103
S-2 #201
RS-2 #302
RS-3 #305
RS-3 #307
RS-27 #310
Plow Train
Ballast Tamper
S-1 #102
RS-2 #301
RS-2 #303
C-424 #314
WRX
Business car #603
Burnt Boxcar
C-430 #315
WRX 9350
Business Car 1776
"Roamer"
C-424 #313
Leaving Bridge Yard
"All Red" RS-2
1776 at Wis. Rapids
Plover Plume
RS-2 #304
RS-20 #308
RS-2 #304
RS-27 #317
#315 in Shop
#315 in Wisconsin Rapids
Precision National 901
McGee Promoted
Train No. 1 at Norwood
Caboose 615
#310 at Green Bay
Conrail #2486
GB&W Adds Boxcars
#321
Jordan Spreader
GBW #315
Switching Power
Transfer Caboose
Transfer Caboose #101
Cupola Caboose
Alco Smoke!
Caboose #112
Auto-Train #901
Takin' Care of Business
LR&W on the GB&W
One Bay Open Hopper
Homer E. McGee #312
No. 4 at Amherst Junction
Wisconsin Rapids Winter
#320 at Whiting
Wisconsin Rapids Power
C-420/424 hoods
Business Train
Caboose #101
#323 at Wisconsin Rapids
#305 on the FRVR
#321 in Winter
Jordan Spreader
Dusk in Plover
#323 in Howard
"Sprint" Train No. 10
RSD-15 #2404
Homer E. McGee
Crew on No. 2
Train No. 4 at Plover
Alco RSD 15 #2405
C-420 #323
GBW #312
Trio of Power
West End of Norwood
RS-20 #305
WC #308
#319 on the CALM
Ex-GB&W in Arkansas
AHW Boxcar #4054
Caboose #101
Caboose #112
Boxcar #1001
Jordan Spreader X190
Caboose 115
What's Left of Norwood?
Side Dump Cars
GBW Gondola
605 Rediscovered!
RS-2s on the Move
Ex- GBW #308
Jeep FC 170 hi-rail
Car 54, Where Are You?
New Paint for #313
The End is Near for #22

  
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FA-1s like these silenced steam power on the railroad.


The Green Bay Route began to convert road freights to diesel power in 1947 with the delivery of three Alco FA-1 engines in 1947.  This order was soon followed up by two more FA-1 engines in 1949.  All remaining  steam power locos were retired within a year.


Photographer unknown, 1949.

A #503 Mystery?

Diesel loco #503 holds a unique position on the Green Bay Route roster, since there were actually two different Alco FA-1s with that same number.

Most all sources (if not all of them) say GB&W 503 was delivered in 12/1947, along with KGB&W 501 and KGB&W 502. So the original FA-1 roster was: 

  • KGB&W 501
  • KGB&W 502
  • GB&W 503

In 4/1949, two more FA-1s were added, KGB&W 503 and GB&W 507. At that time GB&W 503 was renumbered to GB&W 506 to avoid duplicate numbers. So the roster at that time was: 

  • KGB&W 501 (1947) 
  • KGB&W 502 (1947) 
  • GB&W 506 (1947) � ex GBW 503 
  • KGB&W 503 (1949) 
  • GB&W 507 (1949)

What seems puzzling is that a list the builders photo at left is of  503-507 Logically, this should be a photo of KGB&W 503 and GB&W 507, built in 1949.

Both 503 and 507 in this photo are lettered for GB&W � but #503 should have been a KGB&W locomotive!

So that raises a couple of questions:

1. Is the image at left  actually a builders photo? Does anyone have a copy where they can verify the numbers on the locos? (The one on the right looks like 507, but the one on the left looks a little fuzzy.) Is it from the second set of FA-1 engines built in 1949?

2. In 1949, was a loco delivered as GB&W 503(2)? And then renumbered as KGB&W 503 while at the same time the original GB&W 503(1) renumbered to GB&W 506? This seems like a lot of redundant work, even for a railroad.


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Updated July 11, 2015